“…ordinarily they are not allowed to correct adults…”

Hi! Welcome back to Mothers For Women’s Lib! I originally wrote this as a post for my other blog but before I posted it I realised it would be much better posted here, and as I’ve been planning the return of MFWL I figured why not kick off with this?

I saw a link on Pinterest today about a game to play with your children to teach them good table manners and ensure ‘good behaviour’ when eating out. In the game, each person at the table (adults and children) gets three lolly sticks. If you (child or adult) ‘catch’ someone breaking a ‘table rule’, you get one of their lolly sticks. The person with the most lolly sticks at the end of the meal is the winner.

Now this isn’t about my discomfort at trying to push an adult model of behaviour onto children who are behaving age-appropriately when they exhibit ‘bad behaviour’. I think there’s enough room in allowing kids to act age-appropriately to also teach them the way in which they will need to behave as they grow older in order to be accepted by the rest of society. No, my issue is with the way this game was worded in the blog post in question; the writer says “My kids love this game. It is the only time they are “authorized” to correct Mom and Dad.” Later the writer adds, “Also, remind them that ordinarily they are not allowed to correct adults. They may only due so during the Manners Game.”

Now I’m not picking on this writer specifically – he or she was just the latest in a long list of writers, and people I’ve met in real life, who adhere to the belief that children should never correct adults. The idea, I think, is that children are obliged to respect adults and that they should show this respect by never correcting them, even if the adult in question is clearly doing or saying something that is wrong.

I have two problems with this. The first is that adults automatically deserve respect from their children. Wee Chum is seven now, an age where he is properly carving out his own identity in a world that expects him to behave in ways that don’t necessarily fit with his instincts. He has, I feel, a great deal of respect for me, my husband, his father and most of, if not all, the other adults (and children!) in his life. But I’ve never demanded respect from him. I remind him not to be nasty or rude, and I model respectful behaviour to him, and above all else I ensure I behave in a way that means I earn his respect.

Because really, I don’t automatically truly respect any person I meet. This is a two-part statement. Firstly, I think everyone is deserving of some level of respect (respect for their bodily autonomy, respect for their beliefs, etc), whether they are adults or children. But the sort of respect that these people are talking about – the respect an adult “should” be shown by a child – that sort of respect, I think, should be earned. I want my son to respect me because he admires me as a person, because I do and say things that he finds worthy of respect – not simply because he is forced to by expectation.

My second problem is that somehow children are less entitled to point out another’s wrongdoing than adults. As a parent, I think nothing of telling Chum that he’s doing something wrong, be that chewing with his mouth open, not letting another child have a turn on the slide, or being rude to somebody. What makes it all right for me to correct him, but not for him to correct me? He is, after all, a human being, no more or less a person than I am. I am very comfortable in the fact that Chum feels confident and comfortable enough with me to correct me if I do something wrong. The thing that comes to mind straight away is swearing. I try not to swear around him, but if I do he reminds me that swearing is not allowed in our house. And I don’t tell him off for telling me off. I apologise, because he’s right!

This can have further reaching consequences than the writer, and others who feel children should never correct adults, might have foreseen. For what if an adult was to abuse that child who’s been told to give blind respect and never question an adult’s words or actions? Knowing Chum is not afraid to speak out when an adult does something he knows is wrong, means I am a little more confident that he would be able to say “No”, that he would be able to tell that adult that his or her behaviour was wrong, and that he would be able to come to me or another trusted adult and tell us what has happened.

So there’s my tuppence-worth on the idea that children should never correct adults. I think that to raise honest human beings who aren’t afraid to speak out when they see bad things happening, we need to start by telling children they have the right to speak out, and that even adults get things wrong sometimes. What do you think?

Edit: I had an email today from the writer of the blog post I referenced, and she has also replied to my comment on her post: “I meant that normally we don’t let them correct adults at the table. It is a little embarrasing when we are at someone’s house and they point at the host and say, “You are chewing with your mouth open!” Lol. Of course they are aloud to tell us if someone is doing something seriously wrong. We just want to show them that there is a time when we don’t tell other adults they are having bad manners.” She makes a good point here and I am grateful to her for the clarification!

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Department of WIN: Polarn O. Pyret

What a slogan!

Not for girls.

Not for boys.

We make clothes for children.

I love this slogan. It sums up everything I want in a clothing store for my child. We gender children’s clothing way before there is much in the way of difference between body shapes, to the extent that even clothing that we might describe as “neutral” (no bows and ribbons; no skulls and crossbones) is gendered by the colour it is (olive green for boys, pale yellow for girls, for example; even blue clothing, for example, has a “girl” shade and a “boy” shade), and vice versa (and orange top, for example, will be marked as “girl” or “boy” by either a subtle puffing up of the sleeves or a small car motif, for example). And it will be gendered, in most shops, by actually putting clothes in different aisles according to gender. (In my local Asda, for example, “boy” and “girl” clothes are even separated by the service counter!) And I’m sick of it and have been sick of it for a long time. (Also, lest we forget, “boy” and “girl” are not the only two genders in the world; we also don’t know for certain that our female assigned child is a girl, and our male assigned child is a boy, until they tell us, which relies on them having the words and us listening. So talking about “children” makes much more sense!)

So in terms of slogan and the idea behind it, Polarn O. Pyret gets my vote. Also in terms of placement within online store; clothes are sorted by type (trouser, dress, top, etc) rather than by gender. This is exactly how I want to search for clothes for my child; does he need a new pair of trousers? Let’s look at trousers then; rather than having to sort by boy or by girl, I can get the full range and choose for myself.

The clothes also look to be of a good quality; outdoorsy, rough and tumble clothes rather than decorative (actually, I don’t have a problem with decorative, and most children enjoy self-adornment; it’s when it’s limited to one gender that I’ve a problem).

The only drawback? The price. And here’s the thing; once again, being able to afford to support a shop with such important ideals, being able to dress your child in good quality, ethically sourced clothing, is very much the privilege of those with a certain amount of money. For example, should I want to buy my child a pair of trousers, I’m looking at over thirty quid. I couldn’t even justify spending thirty quid on a pair of kecks for myself, let alone a child that’s going to grow out of them in about a year’s time.

I do understand why places like this are expensive; it’s not cheap to be ethical, it’s not cheap to care about who makes the clothes you sell and it isn’t cheap to care about where the material in your clothes comes from. I get that; I’m glad they exist even though they’re way out of my price range. I hope parents (and anyone who buys clothes for children) with money will support this store as much as possible.

What doesn’t cost a company money, however, is having a unisex slogan like Polarn O. Pyret; it also doesn’t cost money to sort clothes by size and type rather than by gender. I hope the kind of companies I can afford to shop at follow suit. I might even add one or two bought pieces to my child’s lovely pre-loved hand-me-down collection then!

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Twelfth Carnival of Feminist Parenting

Welcome to the twelfth edition of the Carnival of Feminist Parenting!

Sorry it’s late – I intended to get working on it on Saturday but my computer’s graphics card chose that day for its capacitor to burst open rendering my entire PC useless! Thankfully my partner came to the rescue, bought and installed a new graphics card and I’m now able to get on with the Carnival. Unfortunately life has been very busy (as it always is with kids around!) so this is the first moment I’ve had available to sit down and properly work on it. So my deepest apologies for the tardiness, I hope you’ll all forgive me!

I’m ashamed to say it’s a lazy Carnival this time round; usually I write a sentence or two describing what each post is about but I simply do not have the spoons. This probably has a lot to do with the fact that it’s a bumper issue this time around – I believe I’ve had nearly seventy submissions! So make sure you have a couple of hours spare, make yourself a nice cup of tea and sit down to enjoy all the wonderful pieces included in this edition.

Pregnancy and Childbirth

Adoption

Bodily Autonomy

Reproductive Freedom

Breastfeeding

Gender Stereotypes

Motherhood

Fatherhood

Fat and Sizeism

Employment Choices

News and Media

Race and Racism

Disability and Ableism

Sex and Sexuality

Sex Education

Children’s Rights

Miscellaneous

That concludes this edition of the Carnival of Feminist Parenting, I hope you’ve enjoyed it! Submit your (or someone else’s) blog post or article to the next edition using our carnival submission form or by sending a Twitter message to @m4wl. Past posts and future hosts can be found on our carnival home page.

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Pregnancy and smoking – do we have the right to choose for other women?

I’ve been a bit grumpy since I got home from the doctor.  OH assumed it was from the speculum prodding, but when I growled at an old man who gave me a funny look, I got asked ‘What is the matter with you anyway?’

I didn’t want to tell him because it was embarrassing.  Eventually admitted that a rather nosey middle aged woman outside the doctors surgery had said something that had got my back up.  The gem I got from her, as I was smoking a cigarette was ‘You shouldn’t smoke when you’re pregnant’.

This had the quadruple whammy of being OFFENSIVE, JUDGEMENTAL, WRONG and also just plain NONE OF HER DAMN BUSINESS.

I gave her a withering look and informed her that actually, I’m not pregnant, just fat.  It will forever irritate me that some people seem to have the idea that women cannot possibly be allowed to be fat unless they are pregnant.  I also told her that I have two health conditions which cause my stomach to be bloated, and that comments such as hers didn’t particularly help.  I then continued on to say that in fact, it was none of her damn business even if I was pregnant and smoking, because she’s a complete stranger and it has nothing to do with her.

I don’t think people should smoke when they are pregnant.  However, being pregnant was a very stressful time physically and emotionally for me, and it would be been quite understandable for me to have a cigarette, which I still didn’t do.  I may have the occasional wibble when I see a pregnant woman smoking, but I remind myself of several important facts.

-Firstly, it really is NONE OF MY BUSINESS.  It’s not up to me to tell strangers what to do.

-It could be her only cigarette of the day.  She could be quitting or cutting down.  Maybe she’s decided that one cigarette a day is a good compromise when she’s previously been smoking 40 a day and the one that she has stops her wanting to put peoples head through windows.  Both pregnancy and quitting smoking make you want to do those things, combined isn’t going to be much fun.

-I have no idea what stress she’s under, what her life is like, if her pregnancy is easy or if she is suffering.  It’s not up to me to judge peoples coping mechanisms.

I would much prefer people didn’t smoke when they are pregnant.  However, your lungs filter out most of the toxins as does the placenta, so I’m not going to begrudge someone a cigarette, no matter how many people turn their nose up at this.  Women who smoke FREQUENTLY AND REGULARLY are at risk of complications with themselves and a baby.  But one cigarette is not frequently or regularly, and you cannot assume this from a chance meeting on the street.  Even if you can see someone smoking a lot, maybe sat in the garden of a pub or a club, it still remains none of your damn business (as well as all the other points above).

Above and beyond this, I am amazed and horrified at the absolute GALL of some people.  I would never presume to comment in this fashion because my delicate sensibilities were offended by something they were doing, unless it was extremely dangerous/immoral/unsanitary/illegal.  I accost people that let their dogs shit on the floor and make no pretence that they are going to clean it up.  I take issue with people being violent to each other in public.  I get annoyed at people that pee in alleyways or puke in the street when they are drunk.

But people, whether or not YOU like it, a pregnant person still has her own mind, her own personality, her own body and her own choices.  She still exercises control over these things and she doesn’t become a walking incubator, subject to the whims, orders and opinions of others when she decides to bear children.  Smoking when pregnant is not illegal.  So if you see it and get your frown on, remember it’s none of your damn business and walk away.

The only person whose choices you control are yours.  Don’t want to smoke when you are pregnant?  Fine then, don’t.  But you’re not such a special snowflake that you get the deciding vote over what other human beings are allowed to do.

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How do you teach your child about sex?

I can’t believe I forgot to post this here at the time!

I wrote a post for The F Word titled How do you teach a child about sex? discussing the ways in which I am doing sex education with my young son and asking readers how they’re doing the same. So far the conversation there has been great, and I’d love to hear your input too. :)

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How do you raise a child in a feminist manner?

I have a new post up over at The F Word, discussing how I’m attempting to raise my son in a feminist manner and asking how readers are trying to do the same. I thought the readers of Mothers For Women’s Lib might like to read it and hopefully join in the conversation!

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Call For Experiences

This is a guest post from Rebecca Asher, who has asked me to post her call-out for experiences of lesbian couples with children.

Writer would like to talk to lesbian couples with children about their expectations of parenting – and the reality

How did you expect to manage the childcare in your household before you had children? And how has it worked out? How do you combine looking after children with the other things in your life? Are you happy with the amount of childcare that you do or do you feel that you do more than your fair share – or too little?

I am writing a book for the Random House imprint, Harvill Secker, about how parents balance raising children with other aspects of their lives; how child care is shared between parents; and the extent to which this has changed in recent decades. I have been speaking to parents around the UK about these issues and I would be delighted to hear from you if you would like to find out more.  It would involve a chat on the phone and what I write will not identify you. I am a professional journalist with over fifteen years’ experience and am happy to answer any questions you might have.

Please email me at rebecca DOT asher AT hotmail DOT co DOT uk with your contact details and I will get in touch. I do hope to hear from you soon.

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